Dark Moon Magick

[peggyelizabeth]

huh.
This is interesting stuff (which was why I bumped it in the first place)
The beliefs surrounding the full moon seem pretty universal, but the thoughts on the dark are so varied, anyone know why?

[~Owl~]

Originally Posted by peggyelizabeth

huh.
This is interesting stuff (which was why I bumped it in the first place)
The beliefs surrounding the full moon seem pretty universal, but the thoughts on the dark are so varied, anyone know why?

Ironically, your statement and question fall into a paradox.

You say there seems to be a universal theory on the Full Moon's effect on the energy that we, as magickal people, manipulate.

Yet everyone has their own version of a "Universal Truth".

To each individual, their "idea" of why, IS the truth. It is our reality that we ourselves create. Of course, this....this is my truth.

Therefore, you won't find anyone who can actually tell you why. You will come up with as many varied answers as before.

Therefore, you need to realize your OWN truth in this paradox.

What does it mean to YOU?

[Darbla]

Originally Posted by mtpathy

Wether the moon is illuminated more, or illuminated less, the same amount of moon is still in the sky. so what makes one have any more significants then the other?

You know, you've got a point here. The same side of the moon is always facing us. Its position in relation to the Earth and the sun is what makes its phases. And since the sun is actually what gives the moon its light, then maybe any powers or energies we attribute to the moon are really sun energies?

Darbla

[skilly-nilly]

Originally Posted by peggyelizabeth

huh.
This is interesting stuff (which was why I bumped it in the first place)
The beliefs surrounding the full moon seem pretty universal, but the thoughts on the dark are so varied, anyone know why?

Originally Posted by ~Owl~

Ironically, your statement and question fall into a paradox.

You say there seems to be a universal theory on the Full Moon's effect on the energy that we, as magickal people, manipulate.

Yet everyone has their own version of a "Universal Truth".

To each individual, their "idea" of why, IS the truth. It is our reality that we ourselves create. Of course, this....this is my truth.

Therefore, you won't find anyone who can actually tell you why. You will come up with as many varied answers as before.

Therefore, you need to realize your OWN truth in this paradox.

What does it mean to YOU?

Wellllll, yes, everyone does have their own personal 'Universal Truth' but I don't think that's what PeggyElizabeth was commenting on. Nothing so ooOOOooo profound:

Most everybody seems to agree that the Full Moon pours out positive-working Energy while opinions vary widely about the 'use' of the Dark Moon.

Some say 'do no workings', some say 'banish only', some say 'do the same workings but expect different outcome'.......this is what (I think) PE was referring to in her statement "the thoughts on the dark are so varied"; that people seem to have a number of oppositional opinions about the Dark Moon when the opinion about the Full Moon is quite universal.

I think it's because the opinion that Good is good, that positive Energy is good, that beneficial Workings are good is both easy to agree with and difficult to disagree with so mostly everybody joins in agreement on the Brightness.

Otoh, all anyone has to do is search for 'Dark' in the archives here to clearly see that opinions on Evil, negative Energy, and combative Workings not only vary wildly but also engender enormous flame wars.

I think that PE (hope that's ok with you) was asking:

Why does everyone agree about Brightness and disagree about Darkness?

Which, imo, is a reasonable question and very interesting. But not really answerable.

Otgh, I think it's human nature to pay superficial homage to Brightness and be titillated by Darkness. Look at the movie industry.

[~Owl~]

Originally Posted by skilly-nilly

Wellllll, yes, everyone does have their own personal 'Universal Truth' but I don't think that's what PeggyElizabeth was commenting on. Nothing so ooOOOooo profound.

Would you mind if I asked why you found my post so obviously offensive to post such a sardonic reply?

[~Owl~]

Originally Posted by skilly-nilly

Why does everyone agree about Brightness and disagree about Darkness?

Which, imo, is a reasonable question and very interesting. But not really answerable.

This was the crux of my statement. Therefore, I don't see why you were offended.

I was not meaning to sound condescending, if you are implying that. Forgive me if it came across that way.

I just found it to be a rather paradoxical question, a challenging one, that deserved a challenging answer.

[~Belladonna~]

Originally Posted by ~Owl~

Not the opposite of what you wish to achieve, just the opposite of what you would want to achieve during a waxing/Full moon.

Attracting/Repelling, etc.

Thanks Owl

[skilly-nilly]

Originally Posted by ~Owl~

Would you mind if I asked why you found my post so obviously offensive to post such a sardonic reply?

Originally Posted by ~Owl~

This was the crux of my statement. Therefore, I don't see why you were offended.

I was not meaning to sound condescending, if you are implying that. Forgive me if it came across that way.

I just found it to be a rather paradoxical question, a challenging one, that deserved a challenging answer.

par·a·dox (pr-dks)
n.
1. A seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be true: the paradox that standing is more tiring than walking.
2. One exhibiting inexplicable or contradictory aspects: "The silence of midnight, to speak truly, though apparently a paradox, rung in my ears" Mary Shelley.
3. An assertion that is essentially self-contradictory, though based on a valid deduction from acceptable premises.
4. A statement contrary to received opinion.

In my opinion, 'paradox' is a somewhat negative word. I didn't find that PE's question was "essentially self-contradictory", but a reasonable request for opinion. And also not a question about "Universal Truth" but about why opinion varies on the subject of the Dark Moon but not the Full Moon.

Therefore, not so profound as a discussion of Universal Truth but a request for opinion. I don't find the statement:
"Therefore, you need to realize your OWN truth in this paradox.

What does it mean to YOU?"
really answers the question...."I have noticed this, why do you think this is?"

Really, she was not really asking the question,
"What should this mean to me?" but
"Why does opinion vary on one side and not the other?"

I have noticed this myself, which is why I answered.

It's a very interesting question. I have very strong opinions (fairly outside of mainstream but not, I hope, paradoxical)) about both Light and Dark but I don't really know why people argue so passionately about Dark and not Light; why people have a fairly universal opinion about the Full Moon and widely varying opinions about the Dark Moon and I, like PeggyElizabeth, wonder what people's opinions are on this dichotomy.

[peggyelizabeth]

Really, she was not really asking the question,
"What should this mean to me?" but
"Why does opinion vary on one side and not the other?"

Yes! I'm a panentheist, so I'm making up my mind on my own about what things mean in my own life, but it's the how come we differ so greatly in some beliefs, but not others that interests me.

I think that PE (hope that's ok with you) was asking:

Why does everyone agree about Brightness and disagree about Darkness?

Which, imo, is a reasonable question and very interesting. But not really answerable.

PE is fine
What is is that causes one path to see something as as darkly powerful when others see something else? What's the cosmology of the moon phases within a path? Is it simply information garnered from others and regurgitated without thought, without reason beyond that it's how it's always been? Yes, it's most likely unanswerable, but interesting to debate, none the less.

Yet everyone has their own version of a "Universal Truth".

To each individual, their "idea" of why, IS the truth. It is our reality that we ourselves create. Of course, this....this is my truth.

Therefore, you won't find anyone who can actually tell you why. You will come up with as many varied answers as before.

Therefore, you need to realize your OWN truth in this paradox.

What does it mean to YOU?

I guess that yes, Owl's right it. Does come down to a Universal Truth and how one views that truth for answers. And yet, when one is struggling to define her Universal Truth isn't it the very answers that define the question? Indeed it is a challenging question & the challenging answer is much appreciated.

Ahhh, the joy of hypothetical questions on top of more hypothetical questions. This really is the stuff that spiritual philosophies are made of...

[~Elise~]

Want a real rush? Draw Down a Dark Moon!

yummmmmmmmm

Seriously, without Dark there can be no Light. Dark Moon is a wonderful time to get in touch with your Shadow Side. What is it that you fear the most? Why?

Dark is not a time to fear--Dark is a time to embrace, a time to cuddle, a time to refresh/recharge yourself-a time to wrestle under the covers with either your lover or what it is that 'goes bump in the night' for you.

JMO and YMMV

Elise